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Rebuttal to Why I Left Islam?

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

I am often asked, Why I left Islam?. As absurd as it may be, some Muslims cannot even allow themselves to think that leaving Islam is an option, or even possible. They rather think that those who leave Islam are paid Jewish agents than accept the fact that people have freedom to think and some may even think that Islam is not for them.

 

My Response:

Not always as it is. Anyone can leave Islam in general. Eventhough in some countries, there are some troubles if they leave Islam, mainly come from the government or closest society. Faith bonding of each culture type can incluence it. [Read on]

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

Until few years ago I used to think that my faith in Islam was not based on blind imitation but rather was the result of years of investigation and research. The fact that I had read a lot of books on Islam, written by people whose thoughts I approved of and delving into philosophies that were within my comfort zone, emphasized my conviction that I had found the truth. All my biased research confirmed my faith. Just like other Muslims I used to believe that to learn about anything one has to go to the source. Now you may thing that the source of Islam is the Quran and the hadith. That might be so in theory. But in practice few Muslims read these books to understand them. Muslims get their their information about Islam by reading the books written by scholars of Islam. These are apologetic books that deceitfully try to portray Islam in the best lights, showing that Muhammad was a holy man and the Quran is a "scientific book". Therefore, I felt no need to look elsewhere in order to find the truth, as I was convinced that I have already found it. As Muslims say “Talabe ilm ba’d az wossule ma’loom mazmoom”. The search of knowledge after gaining it is unwise. 

 

My Response:

Years to find the truth. You mightn't absorb anything about Islam doctrine and how to implement it in daily activity. Manifold events have been happened in the world as tidings inspired by the Quran. Could you compare this or even thought about it? What are the deceit matters of Quran without accompanied with deepen study? Can you show it after exhaustived research? Talk is cheap.

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

Now I realize this was a mistake. What if we want to learn the truth about one of these dangerous cults? Is it enough to depend only on what the cult leader and his deluded followers say? Wouldn’t it be prudent to widen our research and find out what other people have to say about them? Going to the source makes sense only in scientific matters, because scientists are not “believers”. They do not say something because they have blind faith. Scientists make a critical analysis of the evidence. It is very much different from religious approach that is based entirely on faith and belief.

 

My Response:

Scientists have ever been since old times. They were such as Plato, Coppernicus, etc. Some were born in age before century. Many religions have ever been in such period. But many of them were still not believer although they lived in that society. Could this point out those religions were wrong religion in such time because there were still unbeliever? You take a poor conclusion and so bad argument. In middle ages, some western scientists underwent bitter reality because their research contradict with the church. They were even put to death. Many people of christians in Nicene Council got bad destiny that ended in death because their different stand point towards the decision of that session. In the Crusade after first millenium, thousands of muslim believer even killed by christian. They really had become the dangerous cult in the past. Many of christian missionaries also are being trained to go undercover in the Muslim world and win converts for Jesus by hook or by crook. Meanwhile, in Caliph Umar government both Jews and Christian community were sheltered. Do these facts still keep your naive blindness?

For your information, in fact Quran and some hadiths contain and show scientific values, all is ready explored and studied by anyone. Is it really? Yes, because Quran is The God Book!. Prove it.

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

I suppose it was my acquaintance with the western humanistic values that made me more sensitive and whetted my appetite for democracy, freethinking, human rights, equality, etc. It was then that when I reread the Quran I came across injunctions that were not on a par with my newfound humanistic values.

 

My Response:

Free thinking about what? Free thinking to free sex desire or nudity? What human rights? All will to merely satisfy each individual ego? Woman by nature is different with man. Some researches have proven it. The same treatment can carry away unstable conditions of the family for a long time. Talks are always cheap.

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

I was distressed and felt uncomfortable to read teachings like these:

Q.3:90
But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray.

 Q.16: 106
Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

 

My Response:

Yet another hypocritical one. If you open another Book (i.e the Bible), the such things are also doctrined,

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

One may think that the dreadful penalty mentioned here pertains to the next world. But Muhammad made sure that these people received their penalty in this world as well:

 9.14
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

There are also Hadiths that clearly says  " So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

Elsewhere we read: 
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

 

My Response:

The fact is another Book also clearly suggests a straightway penalty too. Both Jesus and Paul themselves condemn to apostate of the people of the Book:

Matthew 15:4
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Also read in the Book of Jews:
Leviticus 20:14

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

If people of the Book are not being hypocrite today, they should burn who commit adultery each other.

 

Ali Sina Wrote:

I found many tales of brutality of Muhammad like this story: 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:

Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you sh ould join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails, which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died. 


And from Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.

 

My Response:

So many tales of brutality of Moses and his follower like that story too:

Look at live story of David and Samuel as authorized prophet for their clan that show their rights to punish the apostate,

1 Samuel 15:30-33

Then he said, I have sinned: yet honor me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God. So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD. Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. And Samuel said, As the sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

2 samuel 4:10-12

When one told me, saying, Behold, Saul is dead, thinking to have brought good tidings, I took hold of him, and slew him in Ziklag, who thought that I would have given him a reward for his tidings: How much more, when wicked men have slain a righteous person in his own house upon his bed? shall I not therefore now require his blood of your hand, and take you away from the earth? And David commanded his young men, and they slew them, and cut off their hands and their feet, and hanged them up over the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ishbosheth, and buried it in the sepulchre of Abner in Hebr.

And from Jesus himself,

Matthew 10:34-38

Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.


"Jangan kamu menyangka, bahwa Aku datang untuk membawa damai di atas bumi; Aku datang bukan untuk membawa damai, melainkan pedang. Sebab Aku datang untuk memisahkan orang dari ayahnya, anak perempuan dari ibunya, menantu perempuan dari ibu mertuanya, dan musuh orang ialah orang-orang seisi rumahnya. Barangsiapa mengasihi bapa atau ibunya lebih dari pada-Ku, ia tidak layak bagi-Ku; dan barangsiapa mengasihi anaknya laki-laki atau perempuan lebih dari pada-Ku, ia tidak layak bagi-Ku. Barangsiapa tidak memikul salibnya dan mengikut Aku, ia tidak layak bagi-Ku. (For Indonesian reader)

And the last,

Deuteronomy 20:10-17

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them.

See how the nation of Israel especially from the army actually implement this doctrine to the opposite now a days. Even in fact, Hitler was a Christian. Here Hitler used the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

 

My last comment:

Frequently, many a man without faith or religion foundation compose their own thinking manner about something. Whereas if only they want to obtain a deep understanding of their religion towards the others, will be obtained the similar matters amongst those various religions.

 

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