Rebuttal to Why I Left Islam?
Ali Sina Wrote:
I am often asked, Why I left Islam?. As absurd as
it may be, some Muslims cannot even allow themselves
to think that leaving Islam is an option, or even
possible. They rather think that those who leave
Islam are paid Jewish agents than accept the fact
that people have freedom to think and some may even
think that Islam is not for them.
My Response:
Not always as it is. Anyone can leave Islam in
general. Eventhough in some countries, there are some
troubles if they leave Islam, mainly come from the
government or closest society. Faith bonding of each
culture type can incluence it. [Read on]
Ali Sina Wrote:
Until few years ago I used to think that my faith
in Islam was not based on blind imitation but rather
was the result of years of investigation and
research. The fact that I had read a lot of books on
Islam, written by people whose thoughts I approved of
and delving into philosophies that were within my
comfort zone, emphasized my conviction that I had
found the truth. All my biased research confirmed my
faith. Just like other Muslims I used to believe that
to learn about anything one has to go to the source.
Now you may thing that the source of Islam is the
Quran and the hadith. That might be so in theory. But
in practice few Muslims read these books to
understand them. Muslims get their their information
about Islam by reading the books written by scholars
of Islam. These are apologetic books that deceitfully
try to portray Islam in the best lights, showing that
Muhammad was a holy man and the Quran is a
"scientific book". Therefore, I felt no
need to look elsewhere in order to find the truth, as
I was convinced that I have already found it. As
Muslims say “Talabe ilm ba’d az wossule
ma’loom mazmoom”. The search of
knowledge after gaining it is unwise.
My Response:
Years to find the truth. You
mightn't absorb anything about Islam doctrine and how
to implement it in daily activity. Manifold events
have been happened in the world as tidings inspired
by the Quran. Could you compare this or even thought
about it? What are the deceit matters of Quran
without accompanied with deepen study? Can you show
it after exhaustived research? Talk is cheap.
Ali Sina Wrote:
Now I realize this was a mistake. What if we want
to learn the truth about one of these dangerous
cults? Is it enough to depend only on what the cult
leader and his deluded followers say? Wouldn’t
it be prudent to widen our research and find out what
other people have to say about them? Going to the
source makes sense only in scientific matters,
because scientists are not “believers”.
They do not say something because they have blind
faith. Scientists make a critical analysis of the
evidence. It is very much different from religious
approach that is based entirely on faith and belief.
My Response:
Scientists have ever been since old times. They
were such as Plato, Coppernicus, etc. Some were born
in age before century. Many religions have ever been
in such period. But many of them were still not
believer although they lived in that society. Could
this point out those religions were wrong religion in
such time because there were still unbeliever? You
take a poor conclusion and so bad argument. In middle
ages, some western scientists underwent bitter
reality because their research contradict with the
church. They were even put to death. Many people of
christians in Nicene Council got bad destiny that
ended in death because their different stand point
towards the decision of that session. In the Crusade
after first millenium, thousands of muslim believer
even killed by christian. They really had become the
dangerous cult in the past. Many of christian
missionaries also are being trained to go undercover
in the Muslim world and win converts for Jesus by
hook or by crook. Meanwhile, in Caliph Umar
government both Jews and Christian community were
sheltered. Do these facts still keep your naive
blindness?
For your information, in fact Quran and some hadiths contain and show scientific values, all is ready explored and studied by anyone. Is it really? Yes, because Quran is The God Book!. Prove it.
Ali Sina Wrote:
I suppose it was my acquaintance with the western
humanistic values that made me more sensitive and
whetted my appetite for democracy, freethinking,
human rights, equality, etc. It was then that when I
reread the Quran I came across injunctions that were
not on a par with my newfound humanistic values.
My Response:
Free thinking about what?
Free thinking to free sex desire or nudity? What
human rights? All will to merely satisfy each
individual ego? Woman by nature is different with
man. Some researches have proven it. The same
treatment can carry away unstable conditions of the
family for a long time. Talks are always cheap.
Ali Sina Wrote:
I was distressed
and felt uncomfortable to read teachings like these:
Q.3:90
But those who reject Faith after they accepted
it, and then go on adding to their defiance of
Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted;
for they are those who have gone astray.
Q.16:
106
Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah,
utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his
heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open
their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from
Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.
My
Response:
Yet another
hypocritical one. If you open another Book
(i.e the Bible), the such things are also doctrined,
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be
saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Ali Sina
Wrote:
One may think that
the dreadful penalty mentioned here pertains to the
next world. But Muhammad made sure that these people
received their penalty in this world as well:
9.14
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by
your hands, cover them with shame,
help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts
of Believers,
There are also Hadiths
that clearly says " So, wherever you
find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for
their killers on the Day of Resurrection."
Elsewhere
we read:
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Ali burnt
some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who
said, "Had I been in his place I would not
have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't
punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No
doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet
said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his
religion, kill him.' "
My
Response:
The fact is another
Book also clearly suggests a straightway penalty too.
Both Jesus and Paul themselves condemn to apostate of
the people of the Book:
Matthew 15:4
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father
and mother: and, He that curseth father or
mother, let him die the
death.
Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they
which commit such things are worthy of death, not
only do the same, but have pleasure in them that
do them.
Also read in the Book of Jews:
Leviticus 20:14
And if a man take a wife and
her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt
with fire, both he and they; that there be no
wickedness among you.
If people of the Book are not being
hypocrite today, they should burn who commit adultery
each other.
Ali Sina
Wrote:
I found many tales
of brutality of Muhammad like this story:
Sahih
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:
Eight men of
the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then
they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for
them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle!
Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle
said, "I recommend that you sh ould join the
herd of camels." So they went and drank the
urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine)
till they became healthy and fat. Then they
killed the shepherd and drove away the camels,
and they became unbelievers after they were
Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a
shouter for help, he sent some men in their
pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were
brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off.
Then he ordered for nails, which were heated and
passed over their eyes, and they were left in the
Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for
water, and nobody provided them with water till
they died.
And from Partial Translation of Sunan
Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4339
Narrated
Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said:
The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that
there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is
Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed
except only for one of three reasons: a man who
committed fornication after marriage, in which
case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to
fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case
he should be killed or crucified or exiled from
the land; or one who commits murder for which he
is killed.
My
Response:
So
many tales of brutality of Moses and his follower
like that story too:
Look
at live story of David and Samuel as authorized
prophet for their clan that show their rights to punish
the apostate,
1 Samuel 15:30-33
Then
he said, I have sinned: yet honor me now, I pray
thee, before the elders of my people, and before
Israel, and turn again with me, that I may
worship the LORD thy God. So Samuel turned again
after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD. Then
said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king
of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him
delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness
of death is past. And Samuel said, As the sword
hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be
childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in
pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.
2 samuel 4:10-12
When one told me, saying, Behold, Saul is
dead, thinking to have brought good
tidings, I took hold of him, and slew him in
Ziklag, who thought that I would have given him a
reward for his tidings: How much
more, when wicked men have slain a
righteous person in his own house upon his bed?
shall I not therefore now require his blood of
your hand, and take you away from the earth? And
David commanded his young men, and they slew
them, and cut off their hands and their feet, and
hanged them up over the pool in Hebron. But they
took the head of Ishbosheth, and buried it in the
sepulchre of Abner in Hebr.
And
from Jesus himself,
Matthew 10:34-38
Do
not think that I have come to bring peace on
earth. I did not come to send peace,
but a sword. For I have come to set
a man against his father, and the daughter
against her mother, and the daughter-in-law
against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall
be those of his own household. He who loves
father or mother more than Me is not worthy of
Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me
is not worthy of Me. And he who does
not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy
of Me.
"Jangan kamu menyangka, bahwa Aku datang
untuk membawa damai di atas bumi; Aku
datang bukan untuk membawa damai, melainkan pedang.
Sebab Aku datang untuk memisahkan orang dari
ayahnya, anak perempuan dari ibunya, menantu
perempuan dari ibu mertuanya, dan musuh orang
ialah orang-orang seisi rumahnya. Barangsiapa
mengasihi bapa atau ibunya lebih dari pada-Ku, ia
tidak layak bagi-Ku; dan barangsiapa mengasihi
anaknya laki-laki atau perempuan lebih dari
pada-Ku, ia tidak layak bagi-Ku. Barangsiapa
tidak memikul salibnya dan mengikut Aku, ia tidak
layak bagi-Ku. (For Indonesian
reader)
And the last,
Deuteronomy
20:10-17
When thou
comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then
proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it
make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee,
then it shall be, that all the people that is
found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and
they shall serve thee. And
if it will make no peace with thee, but will make
war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And
when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into
thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof
with the edge of the sword: But the women, and
the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is
in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt
thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the
spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God
hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the
cities which are very far off from thee, which
are not of the cities of these nations. But of
the cities of these people, which the LORD thy
God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt
save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt
utterly destroy them.
See how the nation of
Israel especially from the army actually implement
this doctrine to the opposite now a days. Even in
fact, Hitler was a Christian. Here Hitler used the
Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the
Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to
my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points
me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against
them and who, God’s truth! was
greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a
man I read through the passage which tells us how
the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the
scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of
vipers and adders. How terrific was His
fight for the world against the Jewish poison.
To-day, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than
ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a
Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be
cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for
truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are
acting rightly it is the distress that daily
grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to
my own people." –Adolf
Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H.
Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler,
April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20,
Oxford University Press, 1942)
My last comment:
Frequently,
many a man without faith or religion foundation
compose their own thinking manner about something.
Whereas if only they want to obtain a deep
understanding of their religion towards the others,
will be obtained the similar matters amongst those
various religions.
